My glorious wife and I have a babysitter for tonight’s date night. She said asked me: Dinner? Movie? Because Indian Chris blogged about those Oklahoma campus Republicans promoting the film, I said “Movie!” and looked it up. A few more dollars are going toward this film.

If the vast majority of the world’s scientists are right, we have just ten years to avert a major catastrophe that could send our entire planet’s climate system into a tail-spin of epic destruction involving extreme weather, floods, droughts, epidemics and heat waves.

We’re back. Climate change is a real threat. It’s happening. Some of us are in denial about it.

Quote from Twain in the film:

“What gets us into trouble is not what we don’t know, it’s what we know for sure that just ain’t so.”

32 Responses to “Incontinent Truth”


  • Have fun and let me know how the movie was!


  • Bring on the Apocalypse. People have been predicting it for thousands of years. Maybe Al Gore will be the one to get it right.


  • Snuggle up close & don’t choke on popcorn.


  • Nothing from a Hooah type of Wife on this morning’s events. Hmmm. Guess nothing important happened on 8 June 2006?


  • Silke, it was worth seeing. IC, Yeah the “I don’t care ’bout nothin'” stance has been popular with adolescents since forever. Greta, Popcorn? Like ground glass in my stomach — hence I never eat it. jerzy, she blogged about Casper the friendly terrorist getting waxed. But Hollywashington is gonna have to inflate a new leading man.


  • Since Al Gore invented the internet, is it possible that he invented “global warming” as well? lol


  • IC, the Apocalypse danger is much more likely than Global Warming. If that nutcase in Iran gets atomic weapons, he intends to trigger the Apocalypse, and the exchange of nuclear weapons that will result will bring on a Nuclear Winter.


  • Cat, Show me one place where he claims to have “invented the internet.” Quote him please.

    Don, global warming is inevitable, BUT IT DON’T NOHOW HAFTA BE NO APOCALYPSE. The whole point is that if we act NOW, we can stop it!


  • The Apocalypse will be if Iran gets nuclear weapons and lauches an attack on Israel. If you want us to act now, are you suggesting we bomb Iran?


  • Cat and others, Why don’t you believe in global warming? Most scientist do. Is it that you have looked at the science and find it incredible? I hope people don’t view the existence or non-existence of global warming as a political issue. That’s just crazy.


  • Don, you are clever with words, if not with logic. Just wanted you to know that’s my opinion.


  • I believe in God

    Science is not something to be believed, it is something to be proven. I did not believe the scientists in the 70s that predicted Global Cooling and a new Ice Age.

    The earth has had heating and cooling cycles for a long long time. Frequently people try to pretend they are more than they really are. And if you have enough money, you fund scientific studies to show whatever you want.

    In the particular case of Global Warming, people that want to pull the US down are pushing that we need to take major actions that will destroy our own economy, yet because China and India are converting their economies to industrial ones, they will add even more emissions than the West could ever cut back, even if we all destroy our economies.


  • > Science is not something to be believed, it is something to be proven.

    Once a theory is proven, as Global Warming is, you can have confidence. You can believe.

    > I did not believe the scientists in the 70s that predicted Global Cooling and a new Ice Age.

    Name one major science organization that endorsed this idea.

    > The earth has had heating and cooling cycles for a long long time.

    Yes, but none like this. Ever.

    > Frequently people try to pretend they are more than they really are.

    Global warming data is very strong, no need to pretend, it’s clearly not just a cycle.

    > And if you have enough money, you fund scientific studies to show whatever you want.

    Or with modest amounts of money you can cast doubt on solid science. Not scientifically valid doubt, but political.

    > In the particular case of Global Warming, people that want to pull the US down…

    Name one.

    > …are pushing that we need to take major actions that will destroy our own economy,

    This is an illusory choice. We don’t have to choose between the economy and the environment.

    >… yet because China and India are converting their economies to industrial ones…

    Name the two countries that have not signed on to Kyoto.

    >… they will add even more emissions than the West could ever cut back…

    They might, if we and they did nothing. The point is to do something.

    >…even if we all destroy our economies.

    There is no economy on a wrecked world.


  • Just think, less than 30 years ago, when the temperature was less than .5 degrees different than today I was being taught of the coming ice age that all indications were pointing to.

    Who knows, maybe when we have 10,000 years of data we’ll understand how the planet actually works, instead of coming up with a doomsday scenario every few decades.


  • > …I was being taught of the coming ice age that all indications were pointing to.

    Name one major science organization that endorsed this idea.

    > …maybe when we have 10,000 years of data …

    We have 600,000 years of data. Six hundred thousand.

    > …we’ll understand how the planet actually works…

    The most important variable is understanding how human nature works. Unfortunately your comments are a great demonstration.


  • i’m seeing the movie on father’s day. hope it was a good date.


  • The earth has had heating and cooling cycles for a long long time.

    Yes, but none like this. Ever.

    They recently discovered evidence of a tropical climate once existed around the South Pole. That sounds like a pretty big change, much more than we are seeing now.

    Frequently people try to pretend they are more than they really are.

    Global warming data is very strong, no need to pretend, it’s clearly not just a cycle.

    We will see in 2040 when the Global Warming “scientists” have been totally discredited, and “scientists” began warning about Global Cooling

    And if you have enough money, you fund scientific studies to show whatever you want.

    Or with modest amounts of money you can cast doubt on solid science. Not scientifically valid doubt, but political.

    There are political claims on both sides.

    In the particular case of Global Warming, people that want to pull the US down…

    Name one.

    Brainhell

    are pushing that we need to take major actions that will destroy our own economy,

    This is an illusory choice. We don’t have to choose between the economy and the environment.

    Really? What changes do you suggest. Koyto???

    yet because China and India are converting their economies to industrial ones…

    Name the two countries that have not signed on to Kyoto.

    China and India

    they will add even more emissions than the West could ever cut back…

    They might, if we and they did nothing. The point is to do something.

    They definitely will

    even if we all destroy our economies.

    There is no economy on a wrecked world.

    There is a lot more wrecking this world than a little bit of CO2


  • > They recently discovered evidence of a tropical climate once existed around the South Pole. That sounds like a pretty big change, much more than we are seeing now.

    Your confused misapplication of this fact lies in failing to account for plate tectonics, often called continental drift. Here’s an animation.

    The Antarctic has moved from warmer areas to where it is now. But in the last 600,000 years, there’s been no warming trend remotely like the current one.

    > We will see in 2040 when the Global Warming “scientists” have been totally discredited, and “scientists” began warning about Global Cooling.

    Do you have children or grandchildren, Don?

    > There are political claims on both sides.

    On what side is the science, though?

    >>>In the particular case of Global Warming, people that want to pull the US down…

    >>Name one.

    >Brainhell

    Circular reasoning, Don. You think Global Warming adherents want to pull the US down, so when I ask you to back that up by naming one, you name me, because as a Global Warming adherent, you reason that I must want to pull the US down. Circular reasoning.

    > >This is an illusory choice. We don’t have to choose between the economy and the environment.

    >Really? What changes do you suggest. Koyto???

    Kyoto seems like a good framework to halt Global Warming. What specific provisions of Kyoto do you object to? Specifics please, not hyperbolic generalizations based on straw-man arguments and imputed statements.

    >>Name the two countries that have not signed on to Kyoto.

    >China and India

    No, China and India have signed and ratified Kyoto. The two countries which refuse to participate are the United States and Australia. Here’s a map.

    > They definitely will.

    You’re saying that your brave leader George Bush, or his brave Republican successor, would be unable to bring any pressure to modify their behavior? ‘Definitely’ is an absolute word.

    > There is a lot more wrecking this world than a little bit of CO2

    Please quantify ‘a little.’ Your point is well taken, though, as the ignorance and politically-based denial we see here demonstrates.


  • By the way, Don, China is going to see among the most severe coastal flooding, as will Bangladesh, right next to India. Potentially 100 MILLION refugees will be created. I think this might help motivate China and India to adhere to Kyoto.


  • Since coming into effect, the Kyoto Protocol has wasted almost $200,000,000 and the countries that bought into it keep missing their targets.


  • Chris,

    Define ‘wasted’ please. I gather wasted means a cost you don’t approve of. Is not even trying better than trying and falling short? We need higher vehicle mileage requirements in the US, for one thing. There are many ways we could try, instead of not trying, and then frying.


  • >”In the particular case of Global Warming, people that want to pull the US down are pushing that we need to take major actions that will destroy our own economy,”

    Don,

    Our economy is fueled by a non-renewable resource that respected scientific organizations (not just a handful of scientists) believe is contributing to global warming. Even if you don’t accept the evidence, it stands to reason that it is in our best interest to wean ourselves off of a resource that will eventually run out. At some point the market will dictate that we find a new way. I think it makes perfect sense to start now, while we can make gradual but meaningful changes. If your concern is for the economy, then this is just common sense.

    Chris,

    The first article you quoted is by Steven Milloy, web master for JunkScience.com and an industry lobbyist. He has some real credibility issues.

    http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Steven_Milloy

    http://www.realclimate.org/index.php?p=22

    Also, I don’t understand why those who criticize Kyoto propose nothing in its place. If the argument is that it won’t work – then propose one that will. As far as I’m concerned, some effort is better than no effort at all! This flies in the face of the global leadership that President Bush said (back in 2001) that our country should provide.


  • Sike,

    Hooah!


  • BH China and India may have signed Kyoto because it does not make demands of them, but they are not going to even hold their emissions at current levels, much less cut them back. Until they agree to cut back their emissions contries that attempt to meet Kyoto are fools.

    Silke, I have no problem with trying to wean ourselves from petroleum. I believe that civilian nuclear plants offer a much better solution than some of the other proposals, since once fuel cells are perfected, we will need nuclear plants to generate the electricity to form the necessary hydrogen (it is totally stupid to burn petroleum or coal to generate electricity to make hydrogen)


  • And solar is also a smart way to put energy into fuel cells. Nuclear, not so much, because there is no safe way to dispose of the waste.

    Don, care to comment on your errors of fact in this thread, or do you prefer to ignore it and just move on?


  • Wasted: spending almost $200,000,000,000(I put $200 million above, sorry about that) with nothing to show for it. Much of that money could have went to some place like Africa where it’s needed. People are starving and dying of AIDS at an astonishing rate. Spend some to find a way to save the Earth, but $200 billion is just stupid.

    People are bitching now that the US is wasting more money than we can afford. How much do you think would would be spent if we were to sign the Kyoto Protocol?


  • Solar is not that effective; it takes too much area for the amount of power generated. It can be a good solution to provide power in a remote area where it is not feasible to have transmission lines bringing in electric power generated elsewhere.

    I am not going to get into an echange where you yell that your fantasies are facts. In fact I think this thread has gone on too long as it is.


  • Don,

    We’re going to put that ineffective solar power on our house and reduce or energy bill to zero. You ought to have more faith in American technology.

    OK, so you refuse to acknowledge your errors. But please tell me … is plate tectonics a ‘fantasy’ in your book? Like Darwinian evolution?


  • There are no brute facts about global warming. All facts are interpreted. When you leave God out of the picture then all you have is chaos. This world will not pass away until the appointed time .


  • Chris,

    Does Don use your login? ‘Cos he coulda wrote that. Facts are facts, though, not just opinions. Don’t get all Cartesian and existentialist on me now.


  • BH, that’s not me.


  • Got it now! Chris <> Indian Chris. Silly me.

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